Bill compared to Micheal Jackson.

[Romana]

May 27, 2008 23:53:12 GMT 1 Razzle said:

a) the claims about MJ's 'vitiligo' are almost certainly PR lies.

b) when you put yourself in the public spotlight, you invite all kinds of comments, both good and bad. MJ made no attempt to shy away from publicity and I'm sure he doesn't give a rat's arse about half a dozen girls pissing about in a thread on a forum about a german pop band.

c) one of the nice things about this forum is that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If you don't like what people say, fine, and you're entitled to say so. However, Preaching your own attitude as if it is superior only serves to make people feel bad and that's just rude.

d) Men can't get pregnant.

a) Dunno what to belive about that.
b) true.. Also - I didn't know Tokio Hotel was pop band I thought they was a baby rock sortov band.
c)I want everyone to have their own opinions, I was just expressing my opinions, and plus i was in a whiny mood that day - so thats for the bit where i said "Seriously stop being mean". Yes. I was wining. Winning? Whining? sp? But I hate preaching, I was just defending him for some reason I dont know - I just find him a very likable guy. It's like you guys said Bill wasnt like him cos of *the reason you put* and its a loada garbage, and you dont like people writing it, i was just saying i didn't like people saying really mean stuff. I'm not restricitng anyones views on it, I just felt I should defend him a bit - even though hes not reading - BUT STILL! It was like - No all examples have left my mind after talking about punching someone with aimee.
d) Yeah Lmao! I meant the gneder changer? I think of him as a guy cos he thinks of himself of one and he has a doodle.

but sorry for sounding superior. I didn't mean too

[Romana]

I feel really bad and mean and rude and mean and horrible and guilty mean and horrible now. I feel bad that Claire and Skye apologised.

Skye - I respect your view - an I don't mind you still not taking back waht you said. I just felt better after defending him. And to be honest I dont want anyone to base their opinions on mine cos I'm being harsh - I admit it! I was harsh!

Claire - Take it back. Take the apology back. Take it. *narrows eyes* TAAAAKE IT BAAACK. Cos it feels weird if someone apologises to me like that - i dunno why but your apology made me feel bad. I'm sorry too

[xxxnashxxx]

Heeey, Im a big MJ fan. In his time, which I sadly missed he was a GOD, and no I dont believe anything about the kid thing it was completely to get money out of him.

But yet you cant deny that its gonna stick now its part of the MJ image. He created himself he could have delt with things alot better and less weird and yes almost freakish. He created what his is his cloths, what he does with his kids, wives, oxygen tanks, his image of Peter Pan I could go on. I mean its not an accident he lets ppl believe these things. Were not blind he knows we are gonna take notice, so there is proof and reason behind ppl calling him wako jako, ... my fav was insisting to wear the white glove to wave to his fans, whilst his hair was on fire and going into an ambulance, wtf? but thats what I love about him he was so different he chnNged music forever ... now tho he has gone to fare and he knows it.

As for the comment about his skin condition yeah we know it was a medical thing, but he dealt with that weirdly aswell! .. urrmm ppl are more obsessed over his nose .. which was no condition but him trying to change his face not to look like his dad (I believe or has been said) .. but he has had like 5 or 6 .. so after the first two it was him yet again knowing that everytime his nosed changed he go like a months media coverage.

Oww yeah and on his last tour he went on stage wearing a thong leortard over a pair of I think jeans?!

The man is crazy ... and a genius his records sell, he is always in the medias eye, and who doesnt know who he is or 1000000 different ways of saying a small things and knowing they mean MJ. plus MJ is gonna be rememberd for many years to come to.

So year my point was .. he wants to be a "freak" so let him, its his thing.

As for looks .. style wise I agree 100000000 percent Buger king lol love it .. ok Bill gets alot of tips and ideas from MJ and rightly so.

But facially .. what they have in common in genetics and look is the basics of over exajurated black hair, and smallbone structure ... but bills is natural and pretty and MJ has gone to fare.

[THkidd]

i will reply laters, i have to go to school atm x

[Romana]

I am strangely glued to this thread to see what people think about him.
Nash - You just made my reason for loving MJ clear.
I've always had a natural sixth sense which gives me the ability to like people who do insane things - In a good way - And I just love the MJ insanity ;']

[tokiohoteluk]

I am not taking back my apology because I was out of order calling him a freak with a melted face. It was rude. I'm over protective of Bill...I think he's beautiful and the idea of him being compared physically to MJ upsets me, but I still shouldn't have said that.

However, MJ is too complicated to criticise or defend, IMO. He had a skin condition, yes, but he had excessive surgery that had nothing to do with his skin condition. I believe he has mental health issues that are ignored because of who he is and his money, so that bothers me. He's not a suitable idol for young people anymore, whereas I think Bill really is.

So, yeah, that's all I have to say in addition to my apology. I don't like what MJ became (much like I don't like what became of another idol of my childhood - Madonna). Fame does horrible things to people and that scares me for TH.

Claire

[Skye.]

it is quite scary
what fame does
if we look at the extremes like MJ and then people compare him to bill
it really scares me
id be so heartbroken if bill (or tom or georg or gustav) got all caught up in the fame like that and ended up so totally different
unrecognisible.

[liz]

Well, I'm sorry anyone got upset here, I really am. But I have to stand by my opinion. If anything, what you have pointed out only enforces how I feel, as it means that beautiful Bill is not only being compared to someone who has had extensive surgery, but an illness too. That is in no way being disrespectful to anything MJ may or may not have gone through. But the fact remains that he now, for whatever reason, looks odd. That's not ridicule. It's just a simple fact - it happened. And what people are objecting to is that beautiful Bill, who is flawless and hasn't had any sugery or illness, was compared to someone who clearly has.

In the same way that you have jumped to MJ's defense, I feel that it is our right to jump to Bill's, given that this is his street team.

[tokiohoteluk]

May 28, 2008 14:04:02 GMT 1 liz said:

In the same way that you have jumped to MJ's defense, I feel that it is our right to jump to Bill's, given that this is his street team.

Yes, I must agree with Liz on that. This is Bill's street team (well, Tokio Hotel's) and, while we should be careful with our language, you must realise that we will always leap to his defense and put him before any other artist. It's a natural instinct.

Claire

[Romana]

May 28, 2008 12:28:56 GMT 1 tokiohoteluk said:

However, MJ is too complicated to criticise or defend, IMO. He had a skin condition, yes, but he had excessive surgery that had nothing to do with his skin condition. I believe he has mental health issues that are ignored because of who he is and his money, so that bothers me. He's not a suitable idol for young people anymore, whereas I think Bill really is.

Claire

I guess your right, I don't think someone who waves to people with white gloves, and his hair on fire, then jumps into an ambulance, is perfectly right in the mind.

Unless they were David Blaine.. hes just TOO cool

But apperntly he was mentally abused when he was young. I'm not sure just googled it and it said but ya know..

But anyways - I finnaly remember to say what I wanted to say in the begining.

BILL KAULITZ LOOKS LIKE MJ! WHAT A LOAD OF *hornedcowpoo*

Yes.. thats my nicer way of saying it.

Bill just has the naturaul beauty.
Hell he's better than how I think up Edward Cullen to be *from the twilight saga* and my image of EC is beauty.

There is no way Micheal Jackson looks like Bill - and THANK YOU MTV for sticking with us. Cos we're so darn right you know it

An yeah I agree with Liz.

But there was lots of people doing that so I thought - I'll just be nice to MJ as well this time.

I'm nice like that

[Romana]

NO! I was with Bill too - but while i was trying to write equally for both of them - I completely forgot to write bout Bill.

How dumb am i?

I bet Bill will NEVER LIKE ME NOW!

No wait - He wont even meet me. *and relax*

[tokiohoteluk]

Not to add fuel to the fire or anything, but since it's so topical, Bravo ran a similar unpleasant article this week:



And they ran with possibly the worst pic of Bill ever. Poor love. He really doesn't look like MJ, who as we all have agreed here, has had much surgery on his face to deal with various medical and psychological problems.

Claire

[Skye.]

i know i shouldn't but that made me laugh.

POOR BILL, he's either about to sneeze or completely off his face.
poor baby.

but LOL @ him being compared to MJ because they once wore similar jackets!
oh god, me and bill have the same t-shirt, he clearly wants to be me

but poor bill.
-pats-

fyi: i like bills jacket better.

[Romana]

HAH i know this is pretty off topic but - Bill can TOTTALLY carry of silver!

An yeah - That was the worst picthey could of chosen - i mean GOD! at least get one that makes them look the same! ITS A BLOODY JACKET! I wear white. My cup wears white. OMG I WANNA BE A MUG!

But.. they look the complete opostit in those photos from tehir face. First thing - bills hairs nicer.
second thing - its feathered and dyed and streaky - MJ's is covered in what look like dyed split ends.
third thing - MJ looks like he has a double chin in the photo - BILL IS A SLIM PERFECTION.
foruth thing - Bill looks like hes gunna cry - pats head *there there - aunty marge will help you* - MJ looks like hes on drugs. Light ones - but still.

ALSO! Have you guys noticed - you knowin the vigi - whatever skin condiont pictures he had in Salma's post - his eyebrows were different? HE SHAPES THEM! ;D

[xxxnashxxx]

maybe mj had loads of plastic surgery to try and look like bill.. as bill is perfect LOl.