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Post by tokiohoteluk on Dec 10, 2008 23:34:52 GMT 1
Okay, I am personally fed up of people saying that everyone else does it. They do not. Yes, SOME other artists do it, like Britney Spears, Katy Perry, Pussycat Dolls - IMO they are not artists to aspire to. They are not respected musicians and they are famous more as being crappy pop acts and tabloid fodder. Most of my favourite acts would never ever lip sync. They ~might~ if a TV show forced them to, but I would bet everything I own on the fact that they would not ever perform in front of a live audience and mime. My favourite artist, Rufus Wainwright, would rather end his career than do something like that. You either make music or you entertain...TH is becoming more of an 'entertainment' band...that bothers me a little, even though I'm not just in it for the music, not by a long shot. I guess if they admitted it that would be different, but they just got an EMA for live shows and Bill is always going on about how their concerts are important to them, so I would expect them to be more respectful of the art of performing live.
Claire
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Post by liz on Dec 11, 2008 0:08:25 GMT 1
Gah, electric cut out and I lost my post. Sheesh. I was basically saying that this is a storm we've got to ride out. There's no defense.
And yeah, when you think about the way Bill and Tom speak about their music - how important it is to them, it's not suprising that the press have jumped all over this, even if they are being harsh.
Maybe this will be a wake up call for them, and a time to really look at where the band has been heading lately. Let's hope Bill remembers what's written on his skin!
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Post by Amiee♥TH on Dec 11, 2008 2:06:25 GMT 1
Katy Perry doesn't lipsync. She can't even sing live, so we all know that she doesn't do it. She is complete crap live. Making music you need to entertain too.. otherwise where is the enjoyment when performing live if you don't entertain at the same time?
I'm agreeing Liz, we just need to ride this out, it'll blow over in time, these things always do. Rihanna lipsyncs too and I would call her an artist to aspire to. practically every act has lipsynced in their career, whether or not they admit it is their choice. And it's not like it was even BILL'S decision. I can imagine he wasn't great about it but if it was partly his idea then im sure they have a good reason behind it.
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Post by heinzines on Dec 11, 2008 2:35:14 GMT 1
Gah, electric cut out and I lost my post. Sheesh. I was basically saying that this is a storm we've got to ride out. There's no defense.
And yeah, when you think about the way Bill and Tom speak about their music - how important it is to them, it's not suprising that the press have jumped all over this, even if they are being harsh.
Maybe this will be a wake up call for them, and a time to really look at where the band has been heading lately. Let's hope Bill remembers what's written on his skin! Agreed !
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Post by jayy_SCHRE!x3 on Dec 11, 2008 4:08:40 GMT 1
i dont know how i feel about this. it's not even the guys miming, it's the bad publicity and the horrible things people are now saying that gets me, and now that perez prick has and will make this even more worse. UGHH ¬¬
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Post by ariellabella on Dec 11, 2008 5:28:04 GMT 1
I really don't think this should be made into such a big deal. And saying that all their concerts in the US were lipsynced is wrong because I was at the Atl concert and there were a few little bumbles and you could tell he was getting a little rough, I actually heard more than one person say (although they should be ashamed of themselves for it) that they'd rather hear playback and it sound great than live and Bill's voice not perfect (wtf, I know).
But I honestly could never get so worked up over the whole thing. These last three concerts weren't normal concerts to begin with, they weren't just preforming for their fans and I'm sure that was a lot of added pressure, plus Bill especially needs his perfection for the new cd. I think at times playback is okay, sure some fans may get upset since they paid to go, but we all know TH has done playback more than once and there was a chance of it. For all we know there could be a very good reason for it, people don't need to jump the gun and get mad and huffy and call them liars. So they stumble a bit with their like for playback, they dug themselves into a hole while still relativly new in the industry and those things take a little time to crawl out of.
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Post by tokiohoteluk on Dec 11, 2008 10:50:36 GMT 1
I believe that Katy Perry has lip synced once or twice in the past, but she was definitely live at the Jingle Ball. And, no, not all artists do it. They just don't. It's not about admitting it - no artist admits it! Show me where any artist talks about miming as if it's no big deal. See how they raked Ashlee Simpson over the coals in the US for her indiscresion and she's not even playing an instrument!
All I am saying is that TH have a choice here about which route they take. The route of the pop acts that don't have a problem with lip syncing and are not taken seriously by the media and general public. (Sorry, in time Rhianna will forgotton for anything other than how irritating Umbrella was.) Or the route of bands that stick around for a good long time because they consistantly provide great music and have an edge that other bands don't...that the media respect for their high standards and professionalism, even if they don't always like them. I always thought TH would be in that second category, but lately I'm wondering.
The playback thing IS getting blown out of proportion, but I expected ~something~ from Perez eventually that would be picked up by the other news stations. He has a lot of power, even though many people tried to argue that he doesn't for a long time. We just have to ride out the storm.
Claire
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Post by Leela on Dec 11, 2008 11:05:22 GMT 1
totally agreed with that part. and with the rest as well but that's just my main point. I always laughed about people being all funny about TH being a pop casting band because I knew how they were live and how Bill can work huge masses of people. But now everyone will come up with this stuff when having a discussion about the band. After the EMAs last year when a lot of people admitted to be impressed by their performance I thought: yeah-they might become a serious (rock) band now but then they went to the USA and ...I don't know. I'm far from an expert of the music world but I guess if they went on the getting more serious road last year that might have been a succesful route to take. Having the press gossiping about them doing playback is doing the complete opposite-eventhough it's too much attetntion for 3 appereances.
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Post by Soubi on Dec 11, 2008 13:23:03 GMT 1
The German paper Bild has this today: This is from the article, Translated from German: Celebrity Bloggers: Bill does not sing live! What is going on?
Actually, U.S. gossip king Perez Hilton very sharp on our guys from Tokio Hotel. Since the successful band also conquered the U.S., he wrote in his famous celebrity blog regularly and excited about Bill Kaulitz & Co.
Perez Hilton Hollywood Gossip-king But in an interview he now accuses them suddenly, when their concerts not a single sound to have sung live! Tokio Hotel - a single mini playback show?
"My sources tell me exclusively that the German 'Band' Tokyo hotel on their U.S. concerts Playback has sung. The lead singer sings live and does not even play their instruments they do not. Pure pretense, "said the gossip reporter.
The celebrity blogger claimed to have evidence that Bill not only had sung live sound:
"Our source sent us a setlist of the band, which provides, when the micro Bill Kaulitz be powered so that he can speak to the audience."
Perez Hilton page per month to 100 million visits. The "Forbes Magazine" chose him 2007 on the main person on the Internet.
"I polarize. People either love it or hate me, "said Perez Hilton (30) in an interview with BILD.de.
One thing is certain: With this latest rumor about our Tokyo hotel guys, he will be working in Germany are not making many friends.This one is from the Express: Unfourtunatly this one didn't translate properly sooo I'll post what google came up with and the link to the german version: U.S. tour a giant dizziness Serious allegations against Tokyo HotelMagdeburg - Teens in ecstasy, full concert halls and middle Tokyo hotel. The tour of Magdeburg by the United States was a mega-success. But she was also a giant dizziness? Celebrity blogger Perez Hilton ätzt against Tokyo hotel. Photo: AP News> More from celebrity & Show> The claim any case, spectators who were there. Among other things, celebrity hunters Perez Hilton. The cult-blogger from the U.S., for its venom is known and notorious, says: The show of Tokio Hotel came from the band!
Bill Kaulitz is not a single tone sang live. Even the band members had just "Pro Forma" on their instruments played. The music came from the band.
Tobacco for the hard-around, as a whole are musicians.
Perez Hilton leans far out of the window. He claims to have a list that indicates when the microphone was powered by Bill (to the audience to speak) and when the juice was off.
Tokio Hotel actually sing only playback? What does that tell you? You say www.express.de/nachrichten/news/promis/schlimme-vorwuerfe-gegen-tokio-hotel_artikel_1225960000006.html
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Post by tokiohoteluk on Dec 11, 2008 14:29:49 GMT 1
It was expected that it would make some of the papers in Germany. It's a real shame. They were on such a high after their last US concerts. All the media in Germany were praising them for their success in the states. Even though Perez is an ass, his comments carry weight. When he just hated TH for Bill's hair or his clothing, no gave a sh*t. What male media personality doesn't hate them for that? But, playback, well it's something that everyone can agree on - it's not good. And people will jump on the band wagon, especially because Perez is very high profile, influential and widely read. We know his comments can make or break. Look at what he did to people like Lance Bass and TR Knight. Anyway, I suspect someone will get an interview/statement out of either Bill or David Jost eventually if this goes over any more days. It's a bit sad. I would rather TH have understood that playback isn't the way to conduct themselves on their own, rather than having to be dragged through hot coals like this. I always laughed about people being all funny about TH being a pop casting band because I knew how they were live and how Bill can work huge masses of people. But now everyone will come up with this stuff when having a discussion about the band. After the EMAs last year when a lot of people admitted to be impressed by their performance I thought: yeah-they might become a serious (rock) band now but then they went to the USA and ...I don't know. I'm far from an expert of the music world but I guess if they went on the getting more serious road last year that might have been a succesful route to take. Having the press gossiping about them doing playback is doing the complete opposite-eventhough it's too much attetntion for 3 appereances. I find it super painful that the record label in the US is keeping them firmly in the place they are. Alongside pop acts and teeny bands and without serious consideration of them as a band. They're working them to death because they think they have a limited shelf-life - that like a boyband, the girls will get sick of them quickly. It's a shame because I always thought TH could be better than that. But, the more they do things like playback and the more they get lumped in with boybands like Jonas Brothers, or artists like PCDs, people will never take them seriously, no matter how much success they gather overseas. If they pulled the miming stunt in the UK, they'd be crucified, I reckon. Look at what they said about Britney miming on the X Factor. Sure, it's a little different, but the principle is the same. Plus, IMO it's worse for a band like TH, who purport to play their own instruments, to mime as they did at the Jingle Balls. It's one thing to dance around and pretend to sing. It's another to sit there and pretend to play the drums. I just think that you can only compare TH to other bands like them - it's not an equal comparison to compare them to the acts that they have so far been compared to. Claire
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Post by xxxnashxxx on Dec 11, 2008 14:54:15 GMT 1
omggg i HATE thinking bad of the boys themselfs but this Perez is a nob who loves katy perry which is why he pics on TH because they always beat her lol
they gotta stop taking these stupid risks and sing live !!
ts as y eybard s ttay dsfgnbb ... cant ty*e whats wrng
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Post by Leela on Dec 11, 2008 15:03:08 GMT 1
well surprisingly I just read that most stations in Germany and newspapers as well rather blame Perez for being "soooooo mean" to the boys then making a huge scandal out of it...
but Claire I just love your posts-you seem to say what I can't say most of the time ;D
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Post by Amiee♥TH on Dec 11, 2008 15:36:01 GMT 1
Perez is a complete knob. We all know that. And HE is probably actually making shit up too, where's the proof that the setlist got sent to him and more importantly, WHY would it even get sent to the pathetic looser? He has no reason to have it sent to him and I doubt they did even send it. The picture of it even looked made up in my opinion.
I still don't understand the massive problem with them lipsyncing. It's not like they've done it all their lives and like Susi said.. Bill's voice actually turning out to be Jost's, That would be hilarious.
I really don't give a shit that they mimed at the jingle ball and Katy Perry is just generally crap live and sounds like a man. I'm just sticking to Rihanna and Pink, cause they're great!
And Claire, that's just what the US always seems to do with mainstream acts, they shove them in a criteria with Miley Cyrus, Jonas Brothers, Britney Spears and all those other little pleb heads. I'm not sure the US even know what sort of music TH do, cause I wouldn't call it pop myself :/ Eugh America is to blame ;D
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Post by Helen Therese Sunniva on Dec 11, 2008 15:42:36 GMT 1
Do you know what i agree with Claire all the way...they shouldnt have done it and especially after tom and bill saying how much it means to them....its quite disappointing to know that an amazing band who can play amazingly well at a live gig decides to lip-synch once or twice [glow=red,2,300]*EDIT* but it issss a bit meaning A BIT AND A BIT ONLY hypocritical of Perez Hilton to say it after they won a headliner award and beat metallica who have like...been in the muisc industry for ages but yeh....[/glow]
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Post by starrystar101 on Dec 11, 2008 16:04:13 GMT 1
How can anyone not look so stupid to a wide audience with lies as big as that? I agree with Aimiee, why the hell would they send a setlist to a guy who is sure to spread trouble. And don't they always have a set list so the whole band always know what to play next?
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